
The Westminster Tradition
Unpacking lessons for the public service, starting with the Robodebt Royal Commission.
In 2019, after three years, Robodebt was found to be unlawful. The Royal Commission process found it was also immoral and wildly inaccurate.
In 2019, after three years, Robodebt was found to be unlawful. The Royal Commission process found it was also immoral and wildly inaccurate.
Ultimately the Australian Government was forced to pay $1.8bn back to more than 470,000 Australians.
In this podcast we dive deep into public policy failures like Robodebt and the British Post Office scandal - how they start, why they're hard to stop, and the public service lessons we shouldn't forget.
Episodes
50 episodes
Picking the Scab of Recruitment - Part 2 'The Employer'
Surfing a wave of listener feelings about this topic, Danielle takes us through the experience of public service recruitment from the other side.Danielle and Alison argue about the merits of requiring 'in house' recruitment before e...
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Season 3
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Episode 7
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37:12

🗳️ Election special 🗳️ Caretaker conventions, IGBs and some 🥳 vox pops 🥳
The starter's gun has gone on Australia's national elections for 2025 and Parliament has been prorogued.In this episode, former head of Cabinet Office and keeper of the Caretaker Conventions, Alison answers Caroline and Danielle's increa...
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Season 3
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Episode 6
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51:05

Picking the Scab of Recruitment - Part 1 'The Applicant'
Drawing on overwhelming feedback from our listeners, in this episode we unpack the experience of being recruited into the public sector (or ghosted along the way). Danielle takes us throughWhat goes in Role Descriptions ...
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Season 3
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Episode 5
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40:53

Oakden aged care scandal part 3 - “Boss on the floor” … or, how bad things stayed secret
How did the abuse at Oakden remain hidden for so long? And what finally brought it to light?In this episode we discuss:why families might not complainhow small, isolated outposts can hide terrible thingsthe ...
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Season 3
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Episode 4
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35:02

REDUX - What the NACC is going on? Updates on Robodebt and the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC)
In light of this week's decision that the NACC will pursue investigations into six public officials, we thought we would repost this episode from December 2024 explaining why the NACC's original decision to take no further action needed ...
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Season 3
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Episode 3
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34:17

Oakden aged care scandal part 2 - there’s no $$$ in limbo
For over a decade, the state government vacillated about whether or not to privatise the Oakden Older Persons Mental Health Facility.Once the 2007 accreditation crisis had passed, however, it never reached the top of the ‘to do’ list. Me...
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Season 3
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Episode 2
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45:10

Oakden aged care scandal part 1 - good in a crisis (...bad on the follow through)
We return for 2025 with a series on the Oakden Older Persons Mental Health Facility, an SA Government run facility whose scandalous conditions and institutionalised elder abuse were exposed in 2017, prompting (among other things) a Commonwealth...
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Season 3
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Episode 1
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35:15

Ask a Secretary! Mike Kaiser (former) head of the Department of Premier and Cabinet (Qld)
What do Secretaries really think when junior staff ask for career advice? Why are silos so impermeable? And should Christmas really be cancelled? Join Danielle and Caroline as they take Mike through listener questions.
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Season 2
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Episode 23
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41:34

Mike Kaiser, former DG of Department of Premier and Cabinet (Qld)
Mike Kaiser, recently departed head of the Queensland Public Service, joins us to chat about the interface between political offices and the public service, lessons from robodebt, why delivery is everything in government and the secret of leade...
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Season 2
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Episode 22
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48:36

The State of the Service - drawing the threads from Coombs to Thodey to where we are now
Danielle unpacks the recently released APS State of the ...
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Season 2
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Episode 22
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34:26

What the NACC is going on? Updates on Robodebt and the National Anti-Corruption Commission
Keeping track of the National Anti-Corruption Commission and Robodebt is tricky - first there's no investigation, then there's some kind of review, then there's a search for an eminent person....In this episode, we talk about where thin...
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Season 2
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Episode 21
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32:35

Mr Bates v Post Office part 8 - ‘The One Where The Report is a Slide Deck’
Post Office’s internal inquiries never got to the bottom of the situation. Here we unpack how to choose an investigator, getting the information to the person, and what do with a report.Opening grab from
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Season 2
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Episode 20
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41:27

Mr Bates v Post Office part 7 - ‘The One Where The Inquiries Go Nowhere’
Post Office leadership commissioned at least 6 different investigations of varying degrees of independence and rigor into complaints about Horizon after 2010. And yet none of them got to the truth. In the next two episodes, we unpack what not t...
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Season 2
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Episode 19
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35:01

TWT Ask Us Anything! Part 2 - culture and integrity agencies
Another great round of questions, thanks!
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Season 2
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Episode 18
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31:13

TWT Ask Us Anything! Part 1 - trust in government, and how we organise ourselves
Thanks for the questions folks!
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Season 2
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Episode 17
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29:33

Finally, the APSC has published its findings about Robodebt: what did they find, and where to from here?
The Australian Public Service Commission has released the findings of its Centralised Cod...
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Season 2
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Episode 16
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47:00

Mr Bates v Post Office part 6 - information dead ends and accountability sinks
In this episode, we look at why Post Office kept prosecuting Sub Post Masters through the lens of Dan Davies' analysis in his new book The Unaccountability Machine.O...
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Season 2
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Episode 15
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41:48

Mr Bates v Post Office part 5 - prosecuting the innocent
A massive power imbalance, everyone doing the narrowest version of their jobs, and an overriding culture that assumed postmasters were thieves. These are just some of the ways Post Office ended up prosecuting postmasters for shortfalls that exi...
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Season 2
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Episode 14
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42:33

The Hon John Hill, on being a Minister
In this episode, former state Minister for Health and the Arts (among others) the Hon John Hill, shares his insights into what Ministers want - and what they need - from the public service.You can buy his book ‘
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Season 2
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Episode 13
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1:02:53

Andrew Podger AO: Is Thodey public sector reform on Steroids or Valium?
In this second interview with former Commonwealth Secretary and Australian Public Service Commissioner Andrew Podger AO, Danielle gets to chat aboutThe pros and cons of bringing all service delivery together in a single ...
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Season 2
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Episode 12
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1:00:38

Andrew Podger AO: the induction, tenure and bravery of Secretaries
With a decade as a Commonwealth Secretary, and two more as Australian Public Service Commissioner, it is no surprise Robodebt Royal Commissioner Holmes turned to Andrew Podger AO for
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Season 2
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Episode 11
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1:00:02

The Essendon Footy Club supplements scandal (part 3): regulation in a changing world
What does the community want more - every last transgressor to be punished, or government to keep out of their business?How can regulators keep pace with changing community expectations about what is ‘appropriate’ - and, indeed, what is...
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Season 2
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Episode 10
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36:52

The Essendon Footy Club supplements scandal (part 2): what’s it like to investigate Australia’s biggest sports codes?
In episode two of this mini-series, we pick up the story of the Essendon supplements scandal from the perspective of the investigators.In this story we hear how ASADA ends up in the middle of a media fire storm, with inadequate regulato...
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Season 2
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Episode 9
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40:59

The Royal Commission we should have? The 2013 Essendon Football Club supplements scandal
“Lack of good governance is why good people did bad things at Essendon Football Club”. So says Lindsay Tanner, former Minister for Finance, and President of the Essendon Football Club from 2015.In this mini-series, Caroline tries to con...
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Season 2
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Episode 8
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34:00

Sue Vardon AO, inaugural CE of Centrelink: On learning while in the job
In the second of two follow ups to her interview at the end of 2023, Sue Vardon dives deep on her commitment to training Centrelink staff, including the establishment of an in-house Registered Training Organisation (RTO).
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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37:40
